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elected somebody center left, yet we have a reality out there that seems to benefit money. >> absolutely. they have to respond to this. we have to see more outrage. we saw it early on -- >> not a speech, please. >> no, i think actually outrage, some kind of emotion from him that we saw earlier, but some kind of result. some discussion of pay caps. something. >> i think they got to grab some of that money back, that $700 billion, don't you think, ruben, t.a.r.p. money, take it back. thank you both. join us again tomorrow night for more "hardball." right now it's time for "the ed show" with ed schultz. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show." this is one for the archives. tonight, the most bizarre story we've seen in a while. it unfolded this afternoon. we watched as a homemade balloon took a wild ride across the colorado sky. we thought a 6-year-old boy named falcon heeney was inside the balloon.
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his family said that he had climbed in it before it floated away from their backyard. but when the balloon finally landed in colorado, it was empty. no little boy inside. there are reports there was another box attached to the balloon, and that it might have fallen off with falcon inside. tonight, the larimer county sheriff tells us they can't confirm if the box was ever attached to the balloon. so now the search is on for a 6-year-old boy named falcon. we have a missing boy and a lot of unanswered questions tonight. about the heeney family, this is more than interesting. they are self-described family scientists. they are storm chasers. they love the outdoors. they believe in extra terrestrials. this captivated audiences across the world. falcon and his family had appeared on "wife swap" a
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reality show where the mothers of two families switch places. it is an unbelievable story. we thought we were going to have someone from that program tonight. if anything develops within this hour, we will go back to the story and bring you the latest on this missing 6-year-old boy. in colorado. very, very strange. on capitol hill, there are some developments, if you're a liberal, that are troubling. me, i'm tired of hearing that we don't have the 60 votes. we don't have the 60 votes. harry reid is my target tonight. i think harry reid would sell his soul for 60 votes and cave in. leader reid, you have the people with you. it's your job to get the votes. leadership takes guts. that's the job. the rocks go with the farm. the majority leader is looking a little shaky after senator chuck
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schumer in new york said this about the fate of the public option. >> leader reid has the option of putting it in the final bill. if he puts it in the final bill in the combined bill, then you would need 60 votes to remove it and there clearly are not 60 votes against the public option. and so we're urging him to do that. if it's in the bill, you don't have to have every democrat vote for it, because if it's in the bill, to take it out would take 60 votes. so that's one of those rare moments which this 60 vote rule works in our favor. >> this is about leadership. there is a third way, by the way. harry reid alone can get the public option without the 60 votes, without reconciliation. it has really an ideal solution here. but when asked about this yesterday, mr. reid practically ran from the question.
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>> senator schumer said that he spoke to you whether or not the public option was in this bill. >> it wasn't up to him. >> i mean, look at that. he walks away. harry, here's what you should have done. i don't think this is a portrait of a fighter right now and not a portrait of leadership. he should have said, you know, senator schumer is correct, i do hold a lot of cards and i want the base to know we're going to get this done with a public option, because that's what the people want. there are at least 50 solid democratic votes for a public option, if not 50 very close to it. but instead of strong arming the other ten democrats to get in line, the senate leadership is ready to gut the bill, to fit the republicans, the way they want it. come on, the conservative democrats are way out of step with the american people on this. this is all about the club, the senate club, my distinguished friend and senator on the other side of the aisle. you know what?
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i don't care if these senators get along. the culture of the senate right now doesn't match the need of the american people. or the way the vote came down last november. senator reid needs to say, the hell with the republicans who were trying to screw this thing up. they're obstructionists, and so are the democrats who are trying to hold the whole thing back because they're conservative. joe lieberman is out there saying he might help out the republican filibuster health care reform. why hasn't he been stripped from his committee, leadership or any committee for that matter? you got to play hardball on this, harry. we did get a little bit of toughness today. president obama did a town hall in new orleans and he turned up the heat on louisiana senator mary landrieu and two congressman, one blue dog and one republican. >> we are going to pass health care reform by the end of this year with the help of mary landrieu, with the help of
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charlie, maybe with the help of joe. we're going to get health care done this year. those folks who are trying to stand in the way of progress, they're all -- let me tell you, i'm just getting started. [ applause ] i don't quit! i'm not tired. i'm just getted started. >> mr. president, are you just getting started, does that mean you're definitely going to tell your aides to go on capitol hill and get a public option or is the trigger thing in this thing? i think the president can get this thing done. these people are out there trying to stop this whole thing. the people behind the public option have to speak up more now than ever. you know, i kind of admired the way the bush people did things. when they wanted to get things done, they just went out and kicked a few legs around and broke a few arms and stuff like that, and when they wanted something, they kind of grabbed
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the jugular like that and said this is what we're going to do. for some reason, the democrats don't have that killer instinct when it comes to telling people this is what the american people want and this is where we're going to go. the senate, 06 votes. okay, not going to get it. reconciliation should still be there, but it has to be a public option. to me, the senate democrats and the leadership lacking the bite that the american people need. why are we having this conversation? we have got breaking news tonight. the child has been found alive at the house. falcon heeney, we are being told tonight, has been found alive at kusa tv is reporting this and kusa tv, the denver affiliate, is reporting that falcon heeney has been found alive. the 6-year-old boy was never in the box, never in the balloon
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that captivated the american people for several hours today. of course, our coverage here on msnbc. a lot of intrigue to. this we have found the boy. he is a 6-year-old, and he was in the house. that's all the info we have at this hour. and we will bring you all the details as this story unfolds. so that is the breaking news and the latest on the saga of the balloon that was supposed to have a 6-year-old boy. the boy was still at home. that family is going to have to answer an awful lot of questions. it all started this afternoon, and the family is -- it's a rather intriguing story. this is a family that was on a reality television show called "wife swap." falcon heeney and his family had appeared on "wife swap" a show where the mothers of the two families had switched. and it's as bizarre as it gets
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in the news business, my friends. they're storm chasers. they describe themselves -- let's listen in to coverage in denver on this. >> just bear with me for one second. we're going to try to get the microphone over. here we go. >> we just talked to the investigator on scene. apparently the boy has been there the whole time. he's been hiding in a box, cardboard box in the attic above the garage. we don't know why, but it's not unusual. we have the missing children case that they see all the commotion, they hear people looking for them and they get afraid that they're in trouble, so they hide. i don't know if that's the fact, but the fact that he was found in a box in the attic in the
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garage rather suggests that. but i guess the good news is that he's fine. >> his parents didn't know where he was this whole time? >> no, they were besides themselves with worry and it was obvious from their demeanor early on that they thought he was in the balloon. >> had you guys searched the attic? >> i know they searched the house twice. i can't tell you how obviously they didn't search it thoroughly enough. he was in the attic in the garage in a box. >> weeping, crying? >> i don't know. you know, that's all the information i have right now. [ inaudible question ] >> do you believe they were telling the truth when they gave those statements? >> that was a 7 or 9-year-old boy that told us, but that's what he said, he saw his brother climb into that apparatus. they interviewed him multiple times and that was his
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consistent story. >> so we're not part of a reality tv show? >> i understand what you're saying. >> will you be interviewing falcon separately from his parents? >> i'm sure the investigators will find out what kuoccurred, sure. >> what do you think? >> i don't want to make a conjecture, but this was not the first time when we've been involved in searching for a child and once the child realizes people are looking for them, they hide, because they're afraid they're going to get in trouble. i can't tell you how many times this has happened over the course of my career, and i think the thing that was confusing here is we had the eyewitness that said he climbed into this apparatus, which clearly was not the case. >> have you talked to the parents since he's been found? do you know what their reaction was? >> we just had a 30-second conversation with the investigator on scene, just to confirm that he was there and alive and okay.
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so yeah, we'll be getting that information, but i don't have anymore right now. >> where was the box, in the attic? >> in the attic in the garage. >> how did he get up there? >> i don't know. i've told you everything i know, folks. thank you. >> thank you, sheriff. >> larimer county sheriff jim alderman chuckling at points. but it's relief for these folks who are out scouring a field near hudson in a park near the house. these parents, who have been distraught throughout the day, and there he is in the garage. >> so let's kind of backtrack and take people through. >> so there you have it, folks. here on msnbc, the breaking news, the missing boy in colorado has been found alive. at home. hiding in a box. in one of the strangest stories
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we have covered in a long time, there is good news tonight. no one died. the big thing here is that the boy is alive and he was hiding. and he's a 6-year-old. use your imagination how 6-year-olds can get scared when things -- when they think they're in trouble. and having kids, i can imagine how that could unfold. falcon heeney is his name. he's 6 years old. the older boy went into the home and said that he had taken off, his younger brother had taken off in this balloon in a box that was apparently attached. there was never a box attached to it. so are these kids playing a joke on everybody or was this just a miscommunication? they will interview the 6-year-old boy who was in the home hiding in the box. the older brother had told his family and authorities. do we have sheree? now, an interesting twist to this family. falcon heeney and his family had
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appeared on "wife swap" a reality television show where mothers of two families switch. sheree silver switched places with falcon heeney's mom and she joins us on the telephone exclusively in st. augustine, florida. thank you for joining us tonight here on msnbc, "the ed show." in this "wife swap" show, you obviously got to spend a lot of time with falcon. tell us what was he like? >> falcon was full of life. he was bubbly. he didn't worry about taking risks. he didn't care what anybody thought. he swore all the time and he basically was a free spirit who absolutely adored his father's experiments. >> would it be in his character to play a joke? maybe teaming up with his brother to play a joke on the family to do something like this?
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>> he was definitely a prankster. but the thing is, it's very possible that he saw the thing go up and he was scared of how his father was going to react to it. and that could have made him, you know, look like he's playing a joke. >> tell us about his father. what he have been very upset about this? >> well, yes. you know, the first thought that i had was, i was at his house during the show in march, and he had built a flying saucer and it was different from this one. this one was a balloon. and i had to spend a lot of time on the show cleaning and polishing the flying saucer and carrying it out into the backyard. >> so during the show, they involved you in their science projects, their family science projects. >> the whole thing was -- the whole thing was a family science experiment. i'm a psychic, so what they did
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is they put all these different tests on me to test me. and they had copper cage that they had me in. they had things on my head. and i had to film in the middle of the night in the air to see if there was any ufos out there. >> how would you describe -- >> they were very much into -- >> sheree silver with us. she was on the television show "wipe swap" and switched places and was with this family, the heeney family. what did you spend, a month with them? >> no, the show is only two weeks. you switch lives for two weeks. >> how would you describe the family, sheree? >> they're definitely a science family. their whole family is geared towards experiments and science and extraterrestrial and
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everything richard does with them has to do with science and e.t.s and chasing storms. and my concern going on the show with him is the fact he had been on the show before, so had i, and we won the 100th episode. that's why we switched, america voted for us. i had a dream i was going to his house because i knew he was into chasing storms. but when i got to his house he had built a flying saucer and he had built this whole psychic testing whole thing for me. and he said he knew i would be the one chosen also. >> all right. >> so basically when i got there, i was his experiment. >> sheree silver is with us here on "the ed show" on msnbc tonight. and in a live exclusive interview from florida, she was on "wife swap" and spent several weeks with the heeney family. richard heeney, the father, would you describe him as a responsible parent?
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>> that's a very difficult thing to answer, because i personally am more protective of my children. they're very creative, artsy, dancing, they're very artistic. his children are daredevils. they have no fear. and basically richard is fearless, the father. and so i don't personally think you should be taking children into tornadoes. so i don't know how to judge that. but as far as him caring about them, i believe that he cares about his children. >> okay. miss silver, what do you make of the news that the older son went in and told the family and authorities that his younger brother, falcon, had gotten into a box and got off into the balloon, what do you make of that? >> well, i don't know.
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i don't know, because, you know, when children grow up to kind of play jokes on each other and be like that, they really don't think anything of it. >> do you think the two -- do you think the two boys could have cooked this whole thing up as a joke? >> no, i don't think so. >> okay. so you think it just unfolded -- unscripted or unplanned, it just happened and brought us to this point? >> right. yeah. i feel that it happened, maybe he didn't expect the ship to take -- you know, the saucer thing to take off. and then he panicked and ran. because i know he knows how important all these experiments are to his father. and he always wants to please his father. so, you know, he actually took his father's side and was very mean to me like his father was during the show.
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so he's very impressionable to what his father would think. so maybe he did it, but i don't think it was maliciousness. >> you mentioned earlier that the 6-year-old boy used to stwaer a lot. -- swear a lot. >> yes, he grew up -- richard gave them permission, his children, to swear in the house. that was his thing. he let them swear, burp, fart, be rude, that was how they were being raised. >> only a few more questions, sheree silver. would you describe them as a family that is safe? >> would i describe them as a family that is safe? you know, all i know is in history is it's the scientists and historians and the people who go digging under the oceans to find out information. you know, sometimes you have to be off the wall.
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do i think richard is a little off the wall? yeah, you know. but can i say that he's a bad parent? i don't think i'm in the position to say that. >> what was your reaction when you heard the news that this had happened and falcon's name was all over the news, what was your reaction? >> i was in shock. i was in shock. i just -- i mean, like is this a publicity stunt? that was my first feeling because i knew how much richard -- [ inaudible ] >> okay, if -- hold on just a second. if you could just repeat that statement. we lost you on the satellite for just a moment. just repeat what you just said, please. >> my first initial feeling was, is this a publicity stunt? that was just my first initial feeling. afterwards i didn't feel like that anymore. but my first feeling is, oh, my
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god, is richard trying to get himself back in the news? that was just my feeling, you know? >> go ahead. >> he didn't mind acting off the wall in everything during the show. and he doesn't mind having, you know, being crazy. so anything's possible with somebody like richard. >> do you think that richard heeney, the father of falcon heeney, could have cooked this up for a publicity stunt? do you think that is within the realm of possibility? >> no, no, no. at first, my first feeling was that. but afterwards, no. i didn't feel like that anymore. please don't say that. i didn't -- my initial feeling was that. but then i felt like no, no. this is basically i think they thought would be funny, but i don't believe his son would absolutely do anything. no, i don't think -- richard
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wouldn't let his balloon go up in the air and have it be ruined, i don't think so. >> well, i asked you a followup to that, because i wanted clarification for our audience on exactly your thoughts on this. sheree silver, appreciate your time tonight on msnbc on "the ed show." thanks so much. >> you're welcome. >> this is a bizarre story unfolding. the good news is, a 6-year-old boy named falcon heeney has been found alive, hiding in a box in his home. and that was sheree silver, who was part of a television show "wife swap." she had spent time with the heeney family and gave us some insight. she said that the 6-year-old boy hiding in the box was known for being a prankster and also had a habit of swearing a lot and his father let him swear inside the house. they are a family that believes in extraterrestrial. they are storm chasers. they love the outdooring. and very ironic that the boy's
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welcome back to "the ed show" here on msnbc. the story of the hot air balloon, the good ending here, the 6-year-old boy named falcon heeney has been found alive in his home in a box. a very bizarre story as it unfolded over three hours today.
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for more let's bring in ariana huffington, founder and publisher of the huffington post. have you ever seen anything like this? >> ed, it is definitely a very strange story. there's no question. in the beginning when the little boy disappeared, made everybody sort of anxious about the fate of the little boy. but here's what i want to ask you -- now that the little boy has been found, why are we still talking about it? >> well, first of all, i think it's very interesting to the american people. and also, if it was a prank, and if it was organized, it's a hell of a story, ariana. the more intrigue is the fact that this family was involved in a reality television show, and you don't find too many self-described scientists who believe in extraterrestrial that
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end up with a kid involved in a prank in a balloon that goes across the sky. the good news is the boy is found but we need to know if this was a prank, if it was organized. so that's why i'm asking you about it. it is very bizarre to say the least. >> right. but my question to you and to everybody covering it exhaustively, i've had so many breaking news alerts on my blackberry, you would have thought something major happened. >> let me just say -- ariana, let me just say this, at nbc and msnbc today, we had some very serious and painful discussions on this, because when this broke, we thought that there was a boy in a box and we were told that it was not connected very well to the balloon. and no one wants to see a 6-year-old boy fall from 8,500 feet. so that is why it was covered. at this point, i think this
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network, a network of record obviously got the hottest interview out there, someone who could give us some insight on the family. i don't know how you handled it at the huffington post, but i think we undoubtedly did the right thing. sit a story of tremendous intrigue and probably a good lesson to parents to make sure that you always know where your kids are, and kids do get into mischief. 6-year-olds do get scared. we found out that the father was a serious scientist on the homemade level. the kid probably knew that, and that's why he got scared when the balloon took off and went and hid out. so i think it is a good lesson for all of us. i'll let you answer to that. >> ed, i completely agree with you. i said at the beginning that while the boy was missing, that was a legitimate, important story because everybody wanted to find out what happened to a little 6-year-old boy. but once the boy has been found, this simply becomes voyeurism.
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this was a couple in a show called "wife swap" that believes in extraterrestrial and this is a story that feeds into the worst voyeuristic instincts of our culture. >> no, it doesn't. we found out less than 15 minutes ago that the boy was alive. it's still breaking news, whether you like it or not. we found out just 15, maybe 20 minutes ago that the boy was still alive, which is good news and we had a chance to interview someone who knows the family. so if we're still playing it tomorrow morning i might agree with you on that. right now it's still very relevant and there's many people coming home just finding out what's going on. so i'm surprised that you would question something in the first hour of breaking news, why are we covering it? >> i'm questioning it, because once we gave people the news, the news is the boy is found,
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the boy is safe. then you have an important show that can address many of the other issues that we are facing. >> let's go to one of them. switching gears, you have suggested that the vice president of the united states should resign if the president of the united states sends 40,000 troops to afghanistan, based on his principled position, you think that joe biden, if this happens, should step down as vice president of the united states? >> ed, what i wrote is that based on what the vice president has said in the interviews that have appeared, off the record interviews mind you in "the new york times," in the cover story of "newsweek," he opposes the escalation in afghanistan. he actually asked a very significant question in the white house situation room, how much money are we spend thing year in afghanistan? the answer was, $68 million. how much are we spending in pakistan where al qaeda was?
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and the answer is, $2.5 billion. so his question is, does it make strategic sense? if he doesn't believe it makes strategic sense, then i believe in resignations on principle. i believe this has been a very honorable tradition in this country. richard elliott resigned and vance resigned because he disagreed with the position that jimmy carter was taking in iran. >> i have to take issue with you. this is almost as bizarre as the balloon story suggesting that the vice president of the united states should resign if we send more troops to afghanistan. i understand the principled position that you expect the vice president. but we're talking about joe biden, not sarah palin. joe biden is not a quitter. joe biden has been in the united states senate for over 30 years. he was elected as vice president. he was chosen for his foreign
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policy expertise by the president of the united states, barack obama, in the campaign. and i don't think barack obama chose joe biden because he thought he might quit some day. don't you think you're out on a limb on this? >> well, ed, i don't know what you're talking about when you use the word "quitting." there's nothing more important, no more important a decision a country can take of sending troops to a war of choice, not of necessity. the joe biden believed this was a war of necessity, where we needed to escalate, that's another story. but he doesn't. and i'm tired of political leaders who come out after the fact that write memoirs explaining how forceful they were behind closed doors and not in public. >> ariana, thank you for joining us. coming up on "the ed show,"
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welcome back to "the ed show." you are looking live at a press conference that is taking place outside the heeney home in colorado. there is the father, richard heeney, talking to the media with the 6-year-old boy, falcon heeney, who was the subject of a search and find in the home of the house save this afternoon hiding in a box. that's the latest here on msnbc. you see these numbers right here, folks? let's talk about the economy for a moment. now, i really don't care about, you know, these numbers. these aren't the real important numbers where america is in the economy right now. goldman sachs posted $3 billion in profits today.
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jpmorgan chase reported $3.6 billion in profit. meanwhile, 500,000 people applied for unemploymented, foreclosures have jumped 5%. the last three months have been the worst for foreclosures in the history of the country. on wall street, pay is up. but on main street they are hurting. what is going to happen when it comes to regulation in this country? let's go to barney frank, who is the chairman of the house financial services committee. congressman frank, good to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." >> thank you, ed. >> the profits on wall street, i mean, i'm a business guy, i love profit. but they got back there with no regulation. is that a case that we don't have to do anything or does it make the case that we've really got to get some legislation and get some teeth in it to make sure we don't run into what we ran into before, what do you think? >> it's essential that we regulate. we're in the midst of a partisan fight, yesterday and this morning, the committee that i chair voted out some pretty
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tough rules about derivatives that would force most derivative changes on exchanges and could get some clear look at others. it was almost unanimousty opposed by the republicans. i think we have to do everything is things. first, let's talk about the money being made. there were two things we need to do. in august, the house passed a bill, we passed it two years ago, but the senate was too divided. the house past a bill putting restrictions on pay. first of all, you get this cozy relationship between the board of directors and the ceo and they're each other's best friends and they have seize salaries way too high. we think the shareholders should be able to vote. so we did put through the house what we call say on pay subject to a shareholder vote. secondly, the problem with these amounts is not simply the total but the way they're structured. they give them the incentive to take too many risks.
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if they take too many risks and it pays off, they make a lot of money. if they take a risk and it doesn't pay off, they break even. >> how aggressive do you want to be to control that? >> we past a bill in august that says two things. first of all, all pay packages for the top executives have to go on the annual proxy vote so shareholders can vote. the experience in england where we are borrowing this from is when the shareholders vote no, they reduce salaries. second, we have given an instruction to all the federal regulators in this bill, and i hope the senate will pass it, that says you cannot allow any financial company to have a system whereby there is an incentive structure that gives them the incentive to take risks with other people's money. they have to have their own money to risk. if they get a bonus and it turns out that deal didn't work out, they have to give it back. >> what about -- >> there's one other point, ed. and that is let's not forget
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this. we should be taxing these profits. because that's -- we ought to be paying for health care with a surtax on the profits, these fabulous profits of these wealthy people. >> what about the talk of a second wave of foreclosures, the last three months have been the worst this country has seen, and what about the selling of mortgages and knowing where those mortgages go so they don't spin off into outer space and nobody knows what fund they're in? >> >> excellent point. what we do now and what we do in the future. for the future, i'm determined that the committee i chair is going to pass a law that says mortgages from here on in can only go forward if somebody is always responsible for any given mortgage for that mortgage and for modifying it. you have a situation now where they all blame each other and claim they can't deal with it. and the past laws were too lax on it. to deal with the current situation, i've been pushing a bill, that t.a.r.p. money is
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being repaid faster than i expected. what i want to do is to take a couple of billion dollars of these t.a.r.p. profits and make them available to people facing foreclosure. these are people who got good mortgages and the only reason they're facing foreclosure is you can't afford to pay your mortgage out of unemployment. so i want to make those t.a.r.p. funds available to people who lost their jobs. >> congressman frank, you know you can always finish on "the ed show." appreciate you. >> i apologize. i broke my gavel today pounding it with the republicans on derivatives. >> it was just a figure of speech. thank you, barney. appreciate your time. we gave $800 billion to wall street, but they aren't giving it back to us. there are 29.6 million small business there is this country. they can't get credit in the
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economy. the obama administration created a small business loan program called america's capital recovery act as part of the stimulus package. it was a good plan. it provides no interest loans to small businesses, for up to $35,000. but here's the deal. the banks are sitting on the money. my guest is a small business opener from north carolina who says he can't get $20,000 loan to survive the recession. joining me now is eric perry, he owns a construction company in north carolina, which by the way has an a plus rating from the better business bureau. eric, good to have you with us tonight. what is happening? tell us what's happening on main street. what are you seeing? >> well, you know, ed, truthfully we're starting to see some movement in the economy. there's some good signs but the problem is not the longer term. we can see the sun coming over the mountain, but the problem is, can we survive until the sun comes over the mountain?
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and you can take some of that t.a.r.p. money that barney was talking about and throw some of that at small businesses too. because so many of us, you know, we're going to survive, you know, we're going to be all right, but we need some help, we need a bridge to get through to, you know, till when things pick up. because regular guys like me and many others can't wait. we can't wait, we can't wait on health care or health, period. >> now, as far as jump-starting and putting a financial steroid you can say into a business, credit's tight right now. is it too hard to get the money? talk to the obama administration, what do they need to do to fix this? >> it's pretty simple. the guidelines in the a.r.c. program are straightforward. you have to meet certain caveats to qualify for the loans. it's not for start-ups, not to be used for speculation. it's just so businesses can survive the short-term. it says right on it, that it's
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for temporary cash flow issues. like you've been saying, we need money -- >> but are the banks being tight with the money? is it too hard to get this money? >> it's impossible to get this money, ed. what we found is we got froze out just because we happen to be at the wrong bank. we met all the qualifications. there's 11 banks in the state of north carolina that are doing the loans. but ours isn't one of them. and where's the justice in that? i'm going to get punished because i chose to support a small, local bank instead of one of the big ones? >> how long can you stay in business at the current rate? >> i'm blessed because we had a signed contract on a nice piece of work that will keep us alive through the holidays. but we need to do marketing. we need to expand our business and it takes capital to do that. there's a lot of guys that are regularly working with me that
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are sitting at home right now. >> i don't want to paint the wrong picture to our viewers tonight. the bottom line is, wall street got damn near anything it wanted and you guys out there who are creating jobs, trying to stay afloat, it's like you're in a different world operating under a totally different set of rules and you want the obama administration to redo this thing, loosen up the credit and tell these banks to get on the stick. >> absolutely, ed. absolutely. i can't tell you how many times i've heard small construction businessmen tell me, why's my bailout? >> eric, great to have you on. tonight's small businessman. these are the stories we're going to bring until the obama administration gets it together and understands, because nobody on their economic team has ever had to meet a paycheck. eric, way to speak up, my man. an average american, right there. he's a working dude. got his own company. he's not a professional word smith or a media guy. just an american trying to get by. coming up, it's legal in 45
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welcome back to sthoe "the ed show." i want to take a minute to remind the shaky democrats, who are they protecting? the insurance companies and the bad guys. here's the insurance horror story, a colorado mom told a senate health committee in a hearing today. >> we applied with golden rule and i was denied coverage based on having a cesarean with luke in 2006. i'm in perfect health and i was shocked that golden rule would decline my application.
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i called golden rule and they said that if i would get sterilized they would then be able to offer insurance to me. i discover that in all but five states it is legal to discriminate against women because of a previous cesarean by denying coverage, requiring sterilization or charging higher premiums. >> joining me now is katrina, editor of "the nation." it's amazing what we'll finding out happening in america. >> that testimony so important because we learn once again that lives are in the balance. all the lobbyists want us to forget, but there's a reason that you fight every day on your program for a public option. to reign in the insurance companies, which are doing that to this woman. so i think we need to listen, we can listen to all the cbo scoring but at the end of the day human rights should not be a for-profit commodity. >> thank you, because it is a priority. it's not a price tag, it's a
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priority. it's what the american people want. i don't see the marches in the streets of people saying this cost too much money. recent polls show we're willing to pay for this. we're now down to the crucial hours of this. it may be the next four or five weeks. what roll, in your opinion, does harry reid play, especially after what chuck schumer said the other day about the public option being on his shoulders? >> it's a test of harry reid's leadership. if you have a that jorty for the public option, is the democratic party, the majority, and its future at stake here, is it going to stand up for the rights of people in this country? harry reid is tested, and on his mind should be bringing together robust public option, affordability, allow states to experiment with single payer,
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and mandate some mandates don't let olympia snowe run the show. >> have you ever seen one senator have so much power? >> jay rockefeller has emerged as the teddy kind of this fight. tom harken, sherrod brown, these are senators who can stand up, block a republican filibuster and show the country what they are about. and harry reid, everyone who listens and watches you, should be pushing him and those democrats. and don't allow people to talk about centrist democrats. they are conservative democrats and they better represent the insurance companies than they do their constituents. >> do you think harry reid can do it? >> it's a test of all of us. it's a test of the american people too. but listen, a fight is on. >> this is what leadership is about. >> this is not the beginning of the end, this is what leadership is about. >> the rocks go with the farm. this is what leadership is all about. >> a and the insurance companies have overplayed